The whole idea of "conservative gays" bothers because its still rooted in a morally bankrupt, lifestyle choice. But then I'm not a Republican and for the GOP does embracing right-leaning gays help the cause? I guess so. Then too it's interesting to see a smug liberal host get taken apart by a "gay conservative" for refusing to toe the line or something like that:
This was a great segment and honestly I was proud to be in Barron’s corner. While I disagree with his lifestyle choices, I thought he did a great job defending both the Republican Party and the conservative movement against Cenk’s accusations – especially that the Republican Party ‘doesn’t like him’.
Rush has tried to make this point over and over, that conservatives are much more tolerant than are liberals. You remember how much flack Elton John got from the Left for singing at Rush’s wedding. It’s just par for the course with the Left and we’ve seen it over and over.
Look, as long as someone from GOProud is ok with me disagreeing with their lifestyle choices and perhaps even their gay agenda (if they have one), then I don’t have a problem going to CPAC. I’m certainly not going to try and humiliate them like Ryan Sorba from last year, but I’m not going to pass out pamphlets for them either. But if an organization wants to boycott, that’s ok too. I’m sympathetic to them but I’m not sure I agree with them.
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ReplyDelete"But then I'm not a Republican and for the GOP does embracing right-leaning gays help the cause?"
It seems to me that a politically conservative homosexual is identifying himself as an American as well, not just as a homosexual. My (hetero)sexuality does not determine my views on freedom of speech or the war in Afghanistan or the federal budget, and I don't know why anyone's (homo)sexuality ought to determine his views on freedom of speech or the war in Afghanistan or the federal budget.
Heck, you're a conservative, and you're black. According to our friends on the left, being black means you cannot really, legitimately, be a conservative; you have to be a liberal Democrat, and if you're not, you're an Uncle Tom.
Yet, it seems to me that you don't let your race determine your views on freedom of speech or the war in Afghanistan or the federal budget; you can see yourself as an American as well as black. You, better than a lot of other people, ought to be able to appreciate the fact that some people who are homosexual can be something other than just homosexual.
I assume that most people who are homosexual really have no choice in the matter, and that if it really was a choice, they wouldn't be homosexual. But because I disapprove of someone's lifestyle doesn't mean I don't think he can't keep his grass mowed or go to work every day.
Dana
ReplyDeleteAs always appreciate your comments but you should know me enough by now to know that the idea of homosexuality being akin to race has never washed with me. To me homosexuality is no different than people who choose to participate in 3somes or adultery or any other deviant lifestyle. And anyone with awareness of the suffering blacks have endured in this country should never equate race with a behavior. Its pretty insulting when you think about it.
Well, Mr G, do you believe that homosexuality is actually a choice?
ReplyDeleteI mean, if it were a choice, who would choose it? You get beaten up in school as a kid, you have people constantly making fun of you as an adult, and really nothing can be easy for you. If you have faith in God, your only option is perpetual celibacy.
Threesomes and adultery certainly are choices, but it's difficult for me to see homosexuality as one.
Yes I 100% feel that homosexuality is a choice. For starters there is no proven "gay gene" that supports your argument. As for the "why would anyone choose being gay?" point, its no different then choosing to drink or do drugs. Homosexuality is nothing more tan a deviant lifestyle choice, but its far from the only one. Millions of people choose to drink, abuse drugs, etc and they get ridiculed for it, shunned from society, beat, abused, etc and no one says drunk or drug addicts were "born that way" the same way no one says child molesters were either. As for God and homosexuality I'd suggest starting out with the book of Paul in the New Testament to know where God stood. And clearly God has told us that marriage is the only option for sexual relations. I think your tolerance for homosexuality is leading you on a path of acceptance.
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ReplyDeleteI think your tolerance for homosexuality is leading you on a path of acceptance.
OK, what do you mean by "tolerance for homosexuality?" It's very true that I wouldn't throw homosexuals in prison for committing homosexual acts. I certainly wouldn't extend the definition of marriage to include homosexual couples, but I also wouldn't burn a cross on their front lawn.
If you could impose your will as our governing policies, what restrictions would you put on homosexuals, given that you don't believe they should be tolerated?
Dana
ReplyDeleteActually I do believe in tolerance for a behavior choice, just not "rights". When you suggest that homosexuality is a in-born condition that cant be reversed, you're reinforcing the "logic" liberals have been using for years now. Yet what you may not understand is that the homosexual activist crowd HAVE to have homosexuality assigned to a genetic biological trait--you cant jump on the "civil rights" bandwagon if you dont argue that homosexuality isnt predetermined and therefore unchangeable. Yet, many homosexuals (the ones you dont hear or read about in the liberal press) have argued that there they did make a lifestyle choice to be gay, many gays have reverted back to heterosexuality and of course there is no credible scientific proof of a "gay" gene (or a "bisexual" gene either). Then too if you're going to argue that gays are "born" that way then whats to say child molesters, rapists and/or adulteres aren't? Then too sex is a learned behavior, based on individual experiences. Lastly when I state that you may be struggling with your "acceptance" of homosexuality, I think like many conservatives/Christians, the whole lot--the media and society in general is subtlety forcing us to make a choice of either accepting gays or making us out to be bigots. My feelings on gays doesn't make me anti-gay, I'm simply espousing my views as a Christian when i state that homosexuality is a morally bankrupt lifestyle choice.